Hocus Pocus - The Podcast
HP and Company presents; “Hocus Pocus - The Podcast” A High-Vibration, Shade-illumination, authentic conversation amongst friends.
Hocus Pocus - The Podcast
The Subtle Art of Influence: Unearthing Truths in Spirituality and Relationships
Ready to face some hard truths and uncover disturbing realities? Join us for a riveting conversation dedicated to exposing the subtle manipulation at play in abusive relationships and cult-like influences. We pull back the curtain on the cunning strategies these entities employ, and share insights on how to recognize when you're in an unhealthy relationship. We delve into the impact of online anonymity and the rise of phenomena like catfishing, as well as the disturbing trend of people being used for attention and admiration.
We then shift gears to explore the fascinating world of religious beliefs, spirituality, and the journey to personal growth. Our candid discussion encompasses various religious backgrounds, shedding light on the struggle of breaking away from oppressive doctrines. We reveal how spirituality has shaped our lives, and offer some guidance on how to discern fact from fiction in spiritual matters. Join us as we contemplate how beliefs can be harnessed to create a better future, no matter your religious standing.
As the conversation progresses, we focus on power dynamics and gender roles in cults and relationships, traversing the spectrum of masculine and feminine energy. We interrogate the consequences of suppressing emotions and delve into the role our environment and social circles play in shaping our actions. We conclude with a comprehensive discussion on how to identify when we are subconsciously influenced by our surroundings and strategies to break free from negative influences. This is a conversation you won't want to miss!
We might be in an abusive relationship or we might be in a cult type scenario with the cultuaries of the world, exactly, hp and company presents Hocus Pocus, the podcast, a high vibration, shade illumination, authentic conversation.
Goddess Lea:Welcome and enjoy.
High Priestess Steph :And I thought maybe that would be a good place to start. Oh yeah, definitely.
Goddess Lea:I have some thoughts on the cultuaries of the world.
High Priestess Steph :The energy that we deal with. The techniques like, first of all, the ability to recognise it. How can you? Because it's sneaky, right? It's like sneaky kind of energy that can be often disguised or packaged with all the good things that human beings can be as well.
Goddess Lea:Well, it has to be some part of the truth, has to be there to then use and manipulate that part of truth to then catch people. Otherwise it wouldn't catch people to join anything. If there is nothing that they can relate to, it has to be relatable. The best case scenario I can give as an example is the whole shit show since 2020. Yeah, so it became a cult. You were like in the big health organisation. I'm not even sure if we're allowed to say any of these words, so you kind of like teaching me along what I'm saying.
High Priestess Steph :Yeah, I mean, I don't even know if we can say cult, but I try. I had one strike on my YouTube channel this year I told you already and it was about a certain Italian food item and a certain boundary entrance or exit. So it's like that. That's how I think we need to do it, by the way as well, with a little poetry and subtle tea and finesse. But yeah, that was the only video I've ever had completely wiped out, taken off, and the reason being for violating community guidelines and potentially causing harm to a certain community, or it was like bullying or harassment or something.
High Priestess Steph :And I was like that's really odd that you're. But it's not odd because we all know, it's not odd because they're all in it together. But in that moment I was like, well, way to go to show what side of the moral compass you're on here, youtube. Okay, I see you. And then, anyway, what's my actual point? Oh, demonetised. So I mean, I've never made any money on YouTube at all, even now, even now, even though it's been weeks, like maybe a whole month, maybe even more than that, since I became a partner again. So I'm actually able to like, and I had two super chats and I still haven't seen a single penny. This is definitely not a way to make money?
High Priestess Steph :No, it's not. It never Like I've battled with the thought of that in the past, but now, now that I see what this kind of platform does promote and what it does protect versus what it does not, and I see, like the terminology used, demonetisation. You're demonetised, doesn't that? Am I just being a, or what?
Goddess Lea:No, I mean like it tells you the truth what they think about you. Like, for them, you're the demon because, like you're speaking truth and you're making the whole house of cards fall apart.
High Priestess Steph :So they yeah they demonetise you, yeah, demonetise exactly, demonetise you, it's just anyway. That's the energy, like I feel. I kind of feel low-key, that we've just almost had a near-cult experience ourselves.
Goddess Lea:I didn't feel a little bit like that when we're not sure who was the court leader.
High Priestess Steph :So crystal clear the picture, yeah, so it feels really close to home at the moment. I mean, luckily, home is where the heart is and the heart is protected, but it's, you know, we both had this conversation also about, at some stages, putting somebody potentially on a pedestal and then having the Having to go through the kind of humility, if you like, of like realising oh, you weren't who I thought you were. And I think lots of people can relate to that, A lot of people, you know we get that way and it can be like not only are you not who I thought you were, but you've been duping me so well that it's like I might Hang on. Who am I? Wait a minute? Because I thought, I really thought I was immune to this stuff. And it makes you like, okay, it's humbling. Do you know what I mean? Because you're just kind of like okay, I'm still human. Yeah, I've been duped, yeah, like catfished, or you know, and I'm so interested in that topic of like how we can recognise when how to navigate through the mist.
Goddess Lea:Mist, mist, yeah, the mist, yeah, yeah, so yeah, because it gets misty, yeah. But then you have like this experience, like just what I said about the whole Tim Ballard, and you know, I knew that he was FLDS and I knew about the cult of ways of that moment, yeah, like not even just you knew, but you're like you're well versed on that.
High Priestess Steph :You're like you know this stuff, like you've almost like studied it. So you were like not just somebody who's like oh vaguely heard of this kind of thing going on, but you're like somebody who's really aware of it, almost like hyper aware of it.
Goddess Lea:Yeah, but I think the part was like what he does, or supposedly does, because we don't know Like this is not a clear picture to me yet. Right, but like and like I don't want to, you know, paint every FLDS member as, like you know, a psychopath that is run from the top, which is pretty much everything in the whole entire world.
Goddess Lea:Yeah, and that's why I find it funny that when people come out of a cult, there's normal people and they're like there's nothing normal about this world that you're just entering in. It's just the cage is bigger. Yeah, you know, the bars are so far that you can't see them until you have to walk in a certain direction where you wanted to have justice, where you honest health education, where you trusted this shit, history, education, any honest things and then you bump into the bars and then you realize, okay, this is a bigger trap.
Goddess Lea:It's not like so obvious because, like it's not. Like the Pope is running the world and everyone is thinking, like the Pope is the guru, and this we see like different gurus many, many many faces.
High Priestess Steph :It's got so many like. This snake is multi headed.
Goddess Lea:But all these fast source off, if you would put it in a culty terms, like these sort of gurus, whatever you want to call, like financially, health, wise, whatever department you go into In the end, all these people, this is another cult, but they're not like saying we're coming from. Now it's more clear that it's the WF, that's kind of that call, that they all belong to this. But it also can be like the mason's or the build a burger or whatever overturn, maybe Illuminati, whatever you want to call it. But there is like so many groups that actually these groups are all working together, even the cults, even like the Mormon church, polygamy, the order children of God, like they're connected to these people that are our rulers on this culty side, that they don't realize that they're all connected to each other.
Goddess Lea:So, it's like I mean, like why could, like Scientology could have gone on for such a long time and all this stuff? And everyone knew, like even I knew, like the. We have a church in my city where I'm from, so I knew that if you go into, enter into the building, this is a trap, like they're gonna, you know, try to bring you back and back and back. So because, like my friend was like, just for fun, let's go in there and check it out, and it was like no, I'm not gonna go in there and I just like this.
Goddess Lea:I don't want to play with this stuff because, yeah, I knew that I'm not gonna fall for it, but like I don't want to, but it's dangerous. Yeah, I just tell we knew that you're saying watch the members.
High Priestess Steph :Yeah, I felt like this about Weegee boards as a kid. I was like no way, I know what the power of that is, I know what that can do, and like I've not done it and I've not really, but I I'm totally cool with being the one that misses out on that game.
Goddess Lea:Well, I did, I did actually, yeah, I'm not surprised and I remember even it's funny because we're speaking about cults and I had a classmate who was a Jehovah witness and we were like in the classroom like writing this Weegee board by ourselves and like taking a coin and then moving the coin on the sheet and he was freaking out because for him that was like the devil and and we did it on purpose, just pissing off, and I was really being not a good teenager and not really kind and I hope she's in any way. I won't do that again because now I'm in love with my former self we've grown, thank goodness that's the nature of the game.
Goddess Lea:I know, I know about it, so but yeah, like, yeah, I found it like because, like, I didn't grow up as religious, like we didn't have a religion we didn't really have any opinion about, but my parents left the church before they got married because they didn't believe in it. But I don't know, it's not like there isn't a God. There is a God is more likely.
Goddess Lea:You know when you grow that you figure out on your whatever you want to believe in, and I think I'm very grateful for this, and then I watched like all my friends who have different religion, from the Muslims to the Christians to the Catholics and I just never like there's so many rules and I don't want to live by my parents rules already, so I definitely not additional rules yeah, we've definitely bonded over that.
High Priestess Steph :We're both anti rules. I mean, I feel like, like self-discipline is definitely a form of self-love and I can totally see the benefits of putting rules upon yourself potentially. But it has to come from a place not of shame, but of willing, and you know it has to come from a high vibe place, because when you do it with that sort of resentment, you know it's kind of like we become I don't even know what the word is, but like a martyr, I suppose, like a, like a. You know we get into that kind of like victim mode and we're like you know I will completely repent, repent, repent, constantly like slave away and that sort of frame of mind. And I think that when I look at my experience, it's that knowledge that's the difference between people enjoying their lives and not enjoying their lives, when you realize that you can find a spot anywhere you like. Well, that's a new flaw. I told you you need to make us some socks, yeah, some big padded, I wouldn't mind. It's just that you know what we're doing. Circling spirits.
High Priestess Steph :I have played the game, though I was so eager to please, I really like I'm still suffering from the effects of the. I mean, you know, you've detected. I remember I'm spending some time with a friend of mine. Once he was like you constantly apologizing for things. You need to stop doing that. Yeah, I was like, oh, sorry, it took me a really long time to understand. And then I was like, okay, you know, and I realized like I've probably been apologizing for my existence, just like. Yeah, I might be.
High Priestess Steph :I don't know why I'm here either like sorry, they just kind of left me here that's where I was. I was really like I was good at faking it, though I was really good at, like, putting a mask on well, I guess we all trained to do that yeah, survival skill was there to be able to. I still can probably put that on if I needed to. I'm sure she's still there and that that one.
Goddess Lea:You sure she didn't abandon me no, she's like a part of you. That, yeah, maybe is now more in a big seat and yeah relaxing.
Goddess Lea:She's on my head, yeah she's like she's leaning about a damn job check in, yeah, yeah, so I don't know. But like the religious thing, it was like it was interesting because like, when I looked at the bigger pictures of all the religions that I encountered, I was just like you're basically saying in your own culture way, the same thing, yeah. And then I'm like maybe this is a misunderstanding and you're all talking about the same thing. You know, like that's what I was like, so, but then it was so like I still can't like the word God, even though it's probably from the word good, and that's why, yeah, god, I don't know, but it back.
Goddess Lea:Yeah, that's the word dog, so I can like that yeah okay, but the thing is like I never could imagine like what they some just one man, because that I that time I didn't know about multi-dimensional things, so I was like one man watching everyone on this planet and it's not like God.
Goddess Lea:This man is really busy and then answering everyone's prayer like I'm, like, I'm not sure if this is the case. So, and then I was. I I really don't like authority, like in any shape or form. That's why I quit my corporate job in a big advertisement agency, which is another story for another time itself. Yeah, so authority is just not working with me, which put me in a lot of trouble in jobs and a lot of times out of jobs. So so the whole like God authority this isn't that. I was just like. And then I just like, every time someone, like some Bible thumper, came along and was trying to like teach me all the Bible, I was just like that, like that's it, like I'm not having it, I'm not gonna listen to it. But then, my friend, she introduced me to the whole concept of like seeing the Bible from a spiritual part. You know not like, and how much is wrongly interpreted in the Bible, or from when was this?
High Priestess Steph :what point of your life?
Goddess Lea:I will pay it's not that long ago, actually right, maybe two, two years okay yeah, probably around that time and then the beginning I really was reluctant over the whole Jesus thing and stuff.
Goddess Lea:But then when I start studying it and understanding the words, the original words in Hebrew, it's, it's translated so different and it makes sense like because then the Basically they're mentioning everything from the spiritual aspect I believe in, so there's definitely something, but then it's also just a small part of all the books that is actually the Bible, and then there's, like, many different versions. Like, just like the Mormon Church has so many the.
High Priestess Steph :AUB the.
High Priestess Steph :And where do we draw the line between fact and fiction when it comes to that stuff, If not to practice the art of discernment and recognize that things will resonate with us? You know, like you were saying, when you go back in the New, Read the Bible. But you're now reading it from a more of a spiritually enlightened standpoint of viewpoint and with less of the natural, I would say resistance that you'd have towards it. Because I felt the same way. I was like you guys are hypocritical, Like I don't care how many of these emblems you want to put on the back of your car, like you're cold. You're cold, like you're shaking hands and kissing each other and breaking bread and stuff on a Sunday, but we'll see you on Monday and you don't talk to each other.
Goddess Lea:Like this is just to me, it was just like yeah, I love when people start the sentence well, as a Christian, you could start the sentence well as a hypocrite, Because it doesn't give more value to anything after that.
High Priestess Steph :It doesn't, but again with the concepts, just as you, my version of God that I was taught because I went to a Christian school. My first school was a church school, so we had a little church in school and so I was exposed to it immediately, like it was immediate, like I remember the assemblies with, you know, christian youth people coming in and acting out, teaching us the Lord's Prayer and all of these things were given to me like really young. But I hate when I do that. Come on, brain, stop. Now my brain is like remember that school, remember the shape of the word.
High Priestess Steph :And then you just no, I went. There was a point. There was a point. Where was my point? Remind me what was my word. Where were we?
Goddess Lea:Well, because you grew up with the environment of the Christian church in your school Right.
High Priestess Steph :That's right, see, that's why.
Goddess Lea:I need like someone like to talk to you Exactly. Just sit in front of the camera. I'm just like.
High Priestess Steph :Staying back at the other window. That's what I do.
Goddess Lea:I just cut it all out. That's what I do. If you just sit there editing, that's an easy word, but I would be like I have no idea.
High Priestess Steph :I wish I could edit real life. I've always like, because it's a joy to be able to do it in a video, but there's so many times we're in real life. I'm like do you even finish your sentence? You don't. Yeah, You've forgotten what you were going to say.
Goddess Lea:I thought you're the only one on this planet who doesn't.
High Priestess Steph :I think most of us do it. I think loads of us do it.
High Priestess Steph :Well brains are so quick and we're so much to think about and we process massive amounts of information, considering our ancestors were just out there worrying about potatoes, like I mean, not that they didn't have as many things, but I don't think they had as many things to process, like you know. Anyway, that's not my point. My point is God, right the DOG backwards. My viewpoint was almost identical to yours in that I thought man, most definitely bearded, probably Father Christmas-esque, because like that's kind of what a powerful man looks like, like Ariel's dad from Little Mermaid, so he naturally he'd have a big giant fork trident or whatever that is. And so somewhere between the guy in Harry Potter you know what's his name, dumbledore, is it Dumbledore?
Goddess Lea:Anyway, what's a?
High Priestess Steph :Gandalf, gand-gandalf, gandalf. Is Gandalf, not a real person? I get so confused with this shit. I mean, no, it couldn't be.
Goddess Lea:I did watch Harry Potter I even wrote one of the books, the first one Right, but okay. I'm not like the crazy one on Harry Potter.
High Priestess Steph :Oh well, that makes me feel better, thank you. But yeah, okay, wizard, anyway, but that sort of energy, that's kind of how I visualized it as well. And then and I felt like I had a good relationship because I'd go to bed and I'd say my prayers and I did everything in threes, because three is the magic number and I was quite aware of these things. So I was quite spiritually attuned anyway, pisces kid dreamy, big-eyed, daydreaming. I'm not even in this world, like honestly, honestly, the amount of times I've looked around me and been like what, why? Like well, whose idea is this? I cannot, I just cannot, accept any accountability for that one, because I just don't think I did say anything.
Goddess Lea:I think only can relate to this.
High Priestess Steph :Oh, it's so frustrating, you know, because it can get so painful, and when you're a little bit well, you feel a little bit different. Anyway, and, like I think lots of us can relate to that as well. In fact, I think most humans feel a bit different to others because we're like, oh, am I the same as you? I don't know, do I fit in here? I'm not sure. And I feel like we kind of experience, as part of the human experience, especially when you live in a place that is culty, that will make you feel that you're not worth ship, you're just not worth it. You're like you're not worth it.
High Priestess Steph :And they do that to your grandparents, your great grandparents, the ones before that, your parents, you, your community, your children, over and over and over again, to the point where it's very difficult for us to step away and go oh, I'm going to put a crown on, because I think I might actually be, you know, made in his image. So I don't mean. So there are certain references and the same, like, same as you. I feel like the truth is actually in all of the religions, because it's older than all of the religions, because it goes, because it's Well, yeah, Well, you have to see it like this, that is, that these people like don't quote me on the Bible so I might fuck it up.
Goddess Lea:So that wasn't it, moses, who like supposedly talked to a burning bush yeah, I don't think that he was talking to it. I think he was inhaling the burning, to be honest.
High Priestess Steph :And then, like some, then they had a chat, yeah.
Goddess Lea:You know? And then he got some information. It was connecting to some consciousness. I mean, like some say, it was consciousness from what?
Goddess Lea:maybe this goes too far but it's not like an In other planet entity. Let's say it wasn't my God itself or whatever, but that might be not the case. I'm not sure that, but I've heard that, so I just want to put it up. But yeah, and I was like doesn't make sense. Like we smoking weed, like, and we get like, or some of us get like, you know, like this, this state of mind where you receive a lot of information. Yeah, like you, are you being more creative?
High Priestess Steph :or yeah, you know and maybe more tuned to really subtle teas. That spirit speaks in because it's, it can be subtle, especially when you're, you know, you're having the human experience. So your, your vibe is naturally quite dense. To be able to stay a little bit high when there's everything here is pulling you away from your natural sort of being. You know, like, do I want to go outside when it's like raining a little bit, it's a bit gray, or do I want to stay on my couch and watch YouTube, you know, and like it's becoming more and more, like we're further and further away from that and we have the yearning. I mean, so many of us are like off grid, I want to build my own cabin and live like, you know, like in Lord of the Rings and the Hobbits or whatever, live in a Hobbit house or whatever it is, you know that tickles your pickle.
High Priestess Steph :You end up like desiring it or yearning for it. So I do think that we do want that fundamentally, but the noise and the chaos and the cult ways that it's. You know, like BJ says, open air prison and I think that is a good example. But and I can't remember who's the quote, because I'm really not great at remembering quotes and stuff but there's a famous quote that's like literally the easiest way to imprison people is when they don't know they're in prison.
Goddess Lea:Well, this is the same with the cult, the people who are in a cult. They would never say that they're in a cult because they would never join a cult. But yeah, so I don't know.
High Priestess Steph :Do you think also we can relate this to the relationships that we might have on a much more personal, intimate level with people around us who may or may not use certain manipulative techniques and tactics? And we do this ourselves as well, you know, because all humans, I think, are naturally we're natural born manipulators. Not like, using, like, take out all the shame and the thought of like what it means to be a manipulator, but if you just literally use the word, it means to like control or to yeah, I mean like we're here to learn to manipulate energy.
High Priestess Steph :Yeah, we do it from babies, don't we? When you're making noise because you're manipulating the environment to feed you, you know, like that's really the basics. You just know like, oh, if I make this noise, I mean I don't know how we know it because I don't remember, but you know anyway, I still. I feel like it's part of the survival again, survival. You have to be able to manipulate in order to be like, in order to be, to have your needs met.
Goddess Lea:Yeah, it's like it's another tool. That's the same thing with everything in the world. This is a toolbox. So if you choose from any religion, anything you can choose from 12 different religion. What relates to you that you think is maybe a tool for you to to grow and expand your consciousness, so then use that. Whatever you know, for different people works different things. Yeah, so I think that the best way is not to settle down on anything like this is the ultimate truth, because it's not. It's always distorted. And the best example I can give where I can see like or yeah, because like, when you think like you've watched pretty much all the cults that there exists. You know, I watched every, pretty much every cult that there is on the planet and I've heard interviews and you can see the patterns. It's like it's like the same. Isn't there a book 12 Steps to Pimp Out your Girlfriend or whatever? I mean like there's always steps to them. It's a playbook, yeah exactly, there's a playbook.
High Priestess Steph :So you can literally see the blueprints existing in different facets of the machine, in different areas, and it's the same blueprint, it's the same manipulative techniques that are used. And like do I say it? I think most of us in different relationship, like capacity, romantic relationship, where we allow ourselves for some reason to go through a lot for usually very little we can find ourselves in those kind of relationships with that sort of manipulative behavior, like gas lighting, and I don't know why I'm counting number two, but I haven't even thought of them in one year I'm so late there. I've got loads. Come on, brain. Yeah, but you see what I mean it's like. Yeah, I mean there's loads of things Love, bombing, like we have taken we have terms for it.
High Priestess Steph :Now, the more like aware we're becoming of our own psychology and the ways that we can be duped. I mean catfishing you know what's that? Tinder swindler guy yeah, you know there's. This is existing all over, and I think one of the main issues or one of the things that we've got is the anonymity Anonimity, anonimity, anonimity. Someone ask you me. I think I got it right Anonimity. You just have to look at it, anonimity. But, yeah, anonimity, anonimity, because people can just pretend to be anyone online.
Goddess Lea:What. They can even keep it up for a couple of weeks to the front. You know, when you meet someone and you're just like I could never see myself. Are you with this?
High Priestess Steph :person yeah.
Goddess Lea:And then two years down the road you nearly killed each other. It was like what I was thinking. So you can't really compare a cult or an organized religion or a control group. You can't really compare that to a relationship, I think. I mean like it can become culty if you are the person that puts him on a pedestal and he's the king of the house and you just obey by his rules. That can be culty, yeah, and that's what we see a lot of relationship with cult leaders. Yeah, and that's what you see in the documents of the Timballot accusations. You can see that his and it's just like, because I have dated a lot of men, I just wanted to see people. I was like I never just really dated anyone else besides men. That's what I meant. To lure her down, that needed the admiration from many different and even from other men which we talked about in.
High Priestess Steph :Amsterdam about that.
Goddess Lea:Like I've seen guys knowing that the guy is gay but he was kind of flirting with him without going all the way. Yeah, he wouldn't probably do that, or maybe some of them.
High Priestess Steph :But just to get the attention. Yeah, just the attention, the admiration, the energy.
Goddess Lea:Are you so good looking?
High Priestess Steph :Yeah, I wonder if a lot of people are out there doing that as well in the same way, because you know, I don't know. I mean, any attention is good, attention, right, and I think consciousness requires attention, and attention is probably the number one currency, let's be honest, rather than money. It's actually what you're focusing on, like, truly Like. What are you focusing on? Where are you putting your energy? Because that is what's going to. You're going to project that, you're going to manifest, that it's going to come to fruition. You know the more that you like focus on that.
High Priestess Steph :But there are some people it was put to me this week really well, it's like there are some people who will feel drained by like drama and upset and all of that stuff and other people who will absolutely feed off of that, who will feed off of, like, people's high emotions, or so I wonder if you could see the energy, what that would actually look like when people you know, and also how that relates to like the cult experience, because one of the things, kay, is that I mean you and I have been talking about the case of Leemar from Aura for years, which is a lie, by the way, no, but honestly it feels like it might as well be.
Goddess Lea:It might as well be. I feel like we have been.
High Priestess Steph :Like, let's be honest, if it's not Leemar from Aura, it's been some other, you know, kind of.
Goddess Lea:Drama and Bahamas Right yeah.
High Priestess Steph :But you have always been reminding me to remember that, generally speaking, hurt people, hurt people, and we're not going to find necessarily that that person, that particular character, was at the very top of the game, right, which means that it's almost like a Russian doll type thing. Do you get what you have? Yeah, you have Russian dolls in Germany, what with you being so far away.
Goddess Lea:Well, Leemar said to Russia.
High Priestess Steph :Anyway, he's probably talking about it. I know I thought that I thought your Russian dolls are probably way better than ours and, to be honest, I don't think I've ever seen them. I just happened to have grown up in a house full of other people's collected, traveled treasures.
High Priestess Steph :So, they were Russian dolls in my house when I was little so, or at Nanny's house at least. But anyway, the idea, concept, the idea being that there's somebody bigger than that and then somebody above that. There's always a hierarchy right, A pecking order. So tie it all together Like what is the energy that controls all that? What's the energy that feeds off of it? What is that? What are we looking at there? It's not just narcissism, is it? I know lots of people like to use this word at the moment.
Goddess Lea:Well, as we live in duality, we have kind of the shadow aspect, and this has kind of their own consciousness, and then you have the light aspect, which has a different consciousness, and we have the consciousness which is on the shadow side, is service to self, and then you have the underlight side, you have service to others, and it's really like there's a good analogy that I've heard. It's like someone told the kid like you have a white wolf and a black wolf in yourself, and then the girl asked like who is going to win? And then the parent said the one that you feed. So it's like. It's basically like, and especially men are more like the predatory side of things, not really in tune with their emotions, not all of them.
High Priestess Steph :I know you have to. We have some really.
Goddess Lea:Yeah, I'm not generalising anything at all anyways.
High Priestess Steph :So no, but the masculine aspect of consciousness, I think, definitely has experienced that lack of freedom of emotion and thus the skills to even vocalise or like process, let alone work on.
Goddess Lea:Yeah, I mean, it's been taught already as children, like you know, like we say, like boys, don't cry and all this stuff.
Goddess Lea:So it's like I mean, like it's in general, even as a girl, you're like, don't be sad, don't do that, like don't have the feelings that you have, instead of like teaching them how to express them in a healthy way, so, because then they don't have to do it as adults. Like I had to learn as an adult, and we know all that it's easier to learn things as a kid than as an adult. Patience, like I was, I was never, ever being patient with anything, and that just showed up in any aspect of my life, and so this is one aspect and I don't know why I was getting with this.
High Priestess Steph :But we'll find it, we'll pick up the thread.
Goddess Lea:Man are just as expected, even by my mother, is now like you have to be tough and stuff like this and. But they running with the feminine energy just as much as we running with the masculine energy.
High Priestess Steph :So we have to.
Goddess Lea:We have to balance both of these energies as well, as men have to do it as well. I mean, they can clear out their toxic masculinity, but then if they don't work on their, on their feminine side, then they never gonna be balanced.
High Priestess Steph :So it's not yeah, I think the way that I've been seeing it for a long time as well, is that one of the reasons that I think there's such a lot of resistance to the, even the notion of women being in positions of power or in control, so to speak, is that the idea is that they think that women in power would essentially treat the masculine as the masculine has been known to treat the feminine for the last 400 odd years and then some.
High Priestess Steph :But I personally, I don't think that feminine power is about that. I think feminine power is about actually stepping aside or holding space or nurturing, but it's definitely not about oppression or control in the same way. But interesting, interesting to kind of bring it back. I was just thinking do we know of any actual cults that have been brought to the, the consciousness at large, the public awareness, that were completely run by women? And I know that there probably are some that exist, because, even as I'm thinking, I'm like, hang on, I know I mean, and don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that women aren't capable of that, because I absolutely, absolutely know that women are capable of that, but it's interesting to still observe that we still seem to, unless it's just the way that we're looking at things, we still seem to have that, that energy of the dominant man and then his like side chick, kind of like sidekick, like she'll do the kind of dirty work because you know he's her man, do not?
High Priestess Steph :I'm saying Gaili, and that guy that's in Ireland, guy, mm-hmm the island guy I like that, yeah, exactly him, he and her, she and him, her and her father and the relationship there or definitely screaming daddy issues.
Goddess Lea:Yeah, it's true, I see where you're coming from and I can't even think I mean I've known about a lot of cults and like, but I can't say that women are not like maybe equally, but maybe also like emotional manipulated, so they think they're doing this like, as I said, the vow. I can recommend it to anyone who ever want to test themselves if they're like receptable to a cold, because if you watch just the first episode of I don't know how many seasons there are, but I think six or something. It's an interesting documentary anyways. But yeah, like I, when I watched the first episode, I was like that sounds great, actually like that sounds like what you doing on your spiritual journey and but then and you can't imagine yourself like doing, in that case it was the nexium and the branding thing.
Goddess Lea:So the girls got like his initials branded on himself and you just like from the outside you were like I can't see myself like ever going that deep into something like that and would be okay with any of that. But I think like because like when I look back at my corporate job in the agency, I can see definitely quality ways in that and I got sucked into it. I just didn't spend just 40 hours there working. I was there a lot of my private time there, spending time with my colleagues and being in that environment, you let it consume you.
High Priestess Steph :It comes like to your world. You're in a goldfish bowl, yeah, in a bubble, and we live in goldfish bowls anyway. I think it's kind of a normal part of nature is to just be really kind of aware of the surrounding, surrounding you. But you can't be thinking about all the places all at once or whatever. But the more that we we indoctrinate ourselves with the environments that we're in and the people that we're around and I said this about like Ben Margera, for example. Like he, you know, current girlfriend potentially aside he doesn't look to me like he's got great friendship making skills, or at least friendship pick, friend picking skills, like he's picked some. He's picked some interesting folk, I think. I mean, I'm not saying but if you like, most of the time drunk.
Goddess Lea:and yes, exactly. So this is a fact. Yeah, I'm not like making any. Yeah, who are you?
High Priestess Steph :going to be around.
Goddess Lea:Well, it's not that you can see crystal clear anyways, what's going?
Goddess Lea:on and you know you have a very distorted picture of you know, like you think this is a great idea, looking sober at it and I can, I think that everyone can relate to that. Yeah, that experience like this is like such a good idea. Well, the next day, not so much anymore. Yeah, so I even can see, like why he wouldn't see any like just like taking his phone away, like he's not like 15 years old, like you know that's some stuff, and then his phone got taken away, but his mental state is like that.
Goddess Lea:So he just doesn't even question. Like wait, I'm like making here the money and everyone is telling me what to do.
High Priestess Steph :Like I'm the provider of everyone.
Goddess Lea:Yeah, and that it. But when you look at it like you're drunk and then you don't pick up on things anyways because, like I think that that's a part, that's something I really want to draw attention to in my videos.
High Priestess Steph :Moving forward is the psychology of monkey.
High Priestess Steph :See monkey do which is really kind of what leads the human being in in general, like we learn through example, we learn through copying and imitation and and I think that when you look at it like that and you realize, like who we surround ourselves with and what we feed our brains is really literally the ingredients for whatever it is that we produce or whatever it is that we admit energetically or what we do.
High Priestess Steph :So if you are around a bunch of, let's say, you're with people who have really gossipy and you know that all they do a lot of the time is gossip about other people. They want to talk about other people all the time. You're, the part of your brain that would be else stimulated elsewhere could end up just shriveling up and giving way to the dog that you did feed, the wolf that you did feed, which is the gossip wolf, because you want to fit in with this, this crowd or these people, whatever it is the other, whatever reason it is. You might not even realize how influenced you are by spending time with somebody who complains a lot, let's say you know you hear it all the time, you know how we pick up a song on the radio and that song can stay with you for days you can pick up someone being like oh, miserable weather.
High Priestess Steph :And then you can be like, oh, it's miserable, miserable miserable misery and be literally brainwashing yourself with the content that was given out to you based on who you were around and what your environment was saying. So that's how, if you're in a goldfish bowl and and you're repeating things back to yourself, maybe you're in an echo chamber and your only company is of the same energetic frequency or band. How do you know you're in there? How do you know? How would you know? Do you know what I mean? How do you know when you need to break free?
